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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby thunderstruck » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:49 am

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:Wonder if Jackoff really wants to deal with the two-way street nature of freedom of expression? Ha, no really, I already know the answer to that. His principled stand wouldn't come across as completely hollow if, say, he had also championed the NYPD unions' attack on their mayor or Brendan Eich's stand and then pillory-ing over gay mmarriage. I'm guessing that explaining why it's important to support those with uncomfortable POVs is over his intellectually shallow head.

And whether or not Mr Foodtruck guy is right or wrong he is likely going to learn a lesson that people in business have known for quite a while: don't shoot your mouth off publicly about anything. Wonder how he missed that memo....

I don't see or recall much of his stuff, but I can easily imagine his screed encouraging a boycott of Chick-fil-a.
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby Mad Max » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:51 pm

http://www.metrotimes.com/Blogs/archives/2014/12/22/why-detroit-bbq-company-is-being-unfairly-targeted

The page now has 174 comments. MT got what they wanted regardless of what their opinion actually is.
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby D-Day » Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:40 am

Update: Ex-Metro Times Editor 'Not Particularly' Surprised By Sudden Departure
By Alan Stamm

The Metro Times editor whose tenure was shorter than a full-term pregnancy says "I feel good" about her abrupt departure, which she disclosed Thursday on Twitter and to Crain's media reporter Bill Shea.

"Whenever there's a big change, it creates amazing opportunity," Valerie Vande Panne said during a 14-minute phone interview Friday morning with Deadline. "It's best to embrace that change."


While declining to hint at the circumstances of her separation from the paper that Euclid Media of Cleveland bought 13 months ago, Vande Panne acknowledged that she's "not particularly" surprised it happened now.

She plans to stay in journalism -- "a business I've chosen" -- and isn't ready to discuss her next career step. "I love Detroit," the Western Michigan native noted.

The former editor voices gratitude for working eight and a half months with "amazing journalists," adding: "We did important work on issues of race and diversity. . . . It was an honor and a privlege to work there and to work with that team."

Vande Panne declined to give her age, saying "I prefer to remain a woman of mystery."

Separately, two former full-timers at the Ferndale-based paper comment on social media about its abrupt leadership gap.

Brett Callwood, who left as music editor last August and now is managing editor at Yellow Scene magazine in Erie, Colo., says in a series of Facebook posts:

This is another bad decision in a string of them. Despite offering a wealth of chops and experience, Valerie was never given the respect she deserves by those in control.

She's a woman of integrity. She terrified the big guys. I saw many an exchanged glance when she held a strong opinion. A huge loss, imo.

Robert Nixon, who left last June after two years as creative design manager, posts: "Completely unsurprised. Sadness ensues."

Original article, Thursday night:

Being top editor at the Metro Times is a high-turnover job.

The latest recruit, Valerie Vande Panne, is gone after less than nine months at the Detroit weekly. Her public announcement makes it sound like a relief:

Earlier Thursday, she told Bill Shea of Crain's Detroit Business:

"There was a difference in editorial vision and management style." . . .

She declined to discuss specifics of her departure, or go into details about her next career move.


Valerie Vande Panne
In an email from Cleveland, the paper's owner -- Andrew Zelman of Euclid Media -- tells Deadline Detroit: "We have no comment at this time."

Euclid bought Metro Times in December 2013. The next month, Zelman fired editor Bryan Gottlieb, who had been on the job 22 months.

His replacement was announced April 22.

In a set of four departure tweets, Vande Panne said she's "proud of the work MT did" and adds: "Especially happy with the final cover story" on an effort to rebrand a Southwest Detroit area as Springwells Village.

Curt Guyette, former news editor at Metro Times and now an investigative reporter for the the ACLU of Michigan, praises Vande Panne.

"I worked with Valerie on a couple big stories and I thought she did an excellent job," he said late Thursday, adding that she improved the paper's quality.

The latest departing editor is a Grand Rapids native who grew up in Greenville, Mich., Shea reports.

The free tabloid, founded in 1980, circulates about 50,000 issues every Wednesday, Crain's says.

http://deadlinedetroit.com/articles/112 ... K_z3CvF_Tp


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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby D-Day » Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:24 pm

FUIGB's post in Letter Writing Campaign du Jour gave nme an idea for the next HFD cause.

A letter writing campaign to get Jagoff the MT Editor's position........that would be enough to bring HFD back from its doldrums. The six of us could easily overwhelm the MT's two or three readers. Plus, it would give us material for at least another six months until he got fired.

And it would be fun
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby MICHIGAN » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:56 pm

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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby The Beav » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:10 am

I'm surprised Jagoff has not chimed in on the Metro Times thread at the adult table.
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby Stosh Kielbasa » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:31 am

The Beav wrote:I'm surprised Jagoff has not chimed in on the Metro Times thread at the adult table.


He's not going to do that. They fire people that speak about the inner workings at the MT dungeon.
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby middle aged female » Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:53 pm

A much needed Monday morning slap at Jackass from the MT:(one caveat: I do agree that the news media usually does go way overboard on snowstorms and such but I really hate 'nerd.)
Local Snow Reports: Service or Excess?Columnist_tn_alan_stamm_head_shot
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February 2nd, 2015, 11:42 AM

Bulletin from Metro Times:

Watch the news and you'd think that the little flakes of snow were made of radioactive poison or something. . . . . It's snowmageddon! It's the snowpocalypse! We're going to be buried alive

That's how managing editor Michael Jackman reacts to the amped-up broadcast reflex we saw this weekend and surely will again before crocuses sprout.


From WXYZ's website Monday morning.
A few hours into the storm that dumped nearly 17 inches at Metro Airport, he posted "A public service announcement about snow," as his blog headline says.

Every winter, the mainstream media crank up their fear machine and warn us that we're facing a great trial every time more than a few inches of snow fall. . . .

We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?

Jackman slaps newspapers as well as newscasters. Unless a storm is toxic or truly epic, he suggests, "maybe the front page or lead segment could be about something newsworthy."

From where we sit, admiring a sun-brightened snowscape, severe weather alerts are news many people can use and noise anyone else can tune out.

As Metro Times reader Juan Perry comments Monday morning under Jackman's swipe: "When it's the third-biggest snow storm in recorded history I'd say it's news. How about you keep trying to be a real reporter rather than knocking down the work of others?"

Now that he's poked at overly dramatic TV news, we wonder what's ahead from Captain Obvious at Metro Times:

A post suggesting Roger Goodell is arrogant and out of touch?
One about politicians who exaggerate?
A claim that we're predatory vultures who siphon readers from larger publications?

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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby higgs1634 » Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:25 pm

middle aged female wrote:A much needed Monday morning slap at Jackass from the MT:(one caveat: I do agree that the news media usually does go way overboard on snowstorms and such but I really hate 'nerd.)
Local Snow Reports: Service or Excess?Columnist_tn_alan_stamm_head_shot
Alan Stamm
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February 2nd, 2015, 11:42 AM

Bulletin from Metro Times:

Watch the news and you'd think that the little flakes of snow were made of radioactive poison or something. . . . . It's snowmageddon! It's the snowpocalypse! We're going to be buried alive

That's how managing editor Michael Jackman reacts to the amped-up broadcast reflex we saw this weekend and surely will again before crocuses sprout.


From WXYZ's website Monday morning.
A few hours into the storm that dumped nearly 17 inches at Metro Airport, he posted "A public service announcement about snow," as his blog headline says.

Every winter, the mainstream media crank up their fear machine and warn us that we're facing a great trial every time more than a few inches of snow fall. . . .

We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?

Jackman slaps newspapers as well as newscasters. Unless a storm is toxic or truly epic, he suggests, "maybe the front page or lead segment could be about something newsworthy."

From where we sit, admiring a sun-brightened snowscape, severe weather alerts are news many people can use and noise anyone else can tune out.

As Metro Times reader Juan Perry comments Monday morning under Jackman's swipe: "When it's the third-biggest snow storm in recorded history I'd say it's news. How about you keep trying to be a real reporter rather than knocking down the work of others?"

Now that he's poked at overly dramatic TV news, we wonder what's ahead from Captain Obvious at Metro Times:

A post suggesting Roger Goodell is arrogant and out of touch?
One about politicians who exaggerate?
A claim that we're predatory vultures who siphon readers from larger publications?


And you know had the media just reported it as some non-event snowstorm (as he is demanding they do) his silly screed would have been about how they failed at their jobs to warn us of this record breaking storm ....
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby middle aged female » Mon Feb 02, 2015 4:05 pm

higgs1634 wrote:
middle aged female wrote:A much needed Monday morning slap at Jackass from the MT:(one caveat: I do agree that the news media usually does go way overboard on snowstorms and such but I really hate 'nerd.)
Local Snow Reports: Service or Excess?Columnist_tn_alan_stamm_head_shot
Alan Stamm
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February 2nd, 2015, 11:42 AM

Bulletin from Metro Times:

Watch the news and you'd think that the little flakes of snow were made of radioactive poison or something. . . . . It's snowmageddon! It's the snowpocalypse! We're going to be buried alive

That's how managing editor Michael Jackman reacts to the amped-up broadcast reflex we saw this weekend and surely will again before crocuses sprout.


From WXYZ's website Monday morning.
A few hours into the storm that dumped nearly 17 inches at Metro Airport, he posted "A public service announcement about snow," as his blog headline says.

Every winter, the mainstream media crank up their fear machine and warn us that we're facing a great trial every time more than a few inches of snow fall. . . .

We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?

Jackman slaps newspapers as well as newscasters. Unless a storm is toxic or truly epic, he suggests, "maybe the front page or lead segment could be about something newsworthy."

From where we sit, admiring a sun-brightened snowscape, severe weather alerts are news many people can use and noise anyone else can tune out.

As Metro Times reader Juan Perry comments Monday morning under Jackman's swipe: "When it's the third-biggest snow storm in recorded history I'd say it's news. How about you keep trying to be a real reporter rather than knocking down the work of others?"

Now that he's poked at overly dramatic TV news, we wonder what's ahead from Captain Obvious at Metro Times:

A post suggesting Roger Goodell is arrogant and out of touch?
One about politicians who exaggerate?
A claim that we're predatory vultures who siphon readers from larger publications?


And you know had the media just reported it as some non-event snowstorm (as he is demanding they do) his silly screed would have been about how they failed at their jobs to warn us of this record breaking storm ....

Exactly; because only HE can be correct and only HE cares about Detroit. I'm pretty sure that he would say they got it wrong just for the city of Detroit out of racism.

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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby Shark » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:17 pm

We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?


Says the guy who drove his shitty car into the flood waters last year and had to walk home through the stinky water.
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby D-Day » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:37 pm

Shark wrote:
We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?


Says the guy who drove his shitty car into the flood waters last year and had to walk home through the stinky water.


OK....how did I miss the screed about hom driving through the flood? In any event, I just re-read it and fund his little gem

I drove my battered and rusty Volkswagen Golf around the lake that had formed in the middle of our Ferndale parking lot and tried heading down Drayton. Big mistake: The water was very high, and I was out of my league here. I simply have zero experience driving in high water in anything that isn’t a Humvee.


God, I hope he's just embellishing and isn't ex-military. No way could anyone come out that stupid
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby D-Day » Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:41 pm

D-Day wrote:
Shark wrote:
We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?


Says the guy who drove his shitty car into the flood waters last year and had to walk home through the stinky water.


OK....how did I miss the screed about hom driving through the flood? In any event, I just re-read it and fund his little gem

I drove my battered and rusty Volkswagen Golf around the lake that had formed in the middle of our Ferndale parking lot and tried heading down Drayton. Big mistake: The water was very high, and I was out of my league here. I simply have zero experience driving in high water in anything that isn’t a Humvee.


God, I hope he's just embellishing and isn't ex-military. No way could anyone come out that stupid


OK....thankfully, there's no mention of the military in his MT bio. But, there area ton of fun facts. Bon apetit!!!

Jagoff's Bio wrote:Born in 1969 at Mount Carmel hospital in Detroit, Jackman grew up just 100 yards from the Detroit city line in east Dearborn. Jackman has attended New York University, the School of Visual Arts, Northwestern University and Wayne State University, though he never got a degree. He has worked as a bar back, busboy, pool hall manager, foot messenger, truck driver, combustible electrician, perfume salesman, record store clerk, bouncer, bodyguard, landscaper, and sandwich artist. After being intensively involved with underground press culture in the 1990s, in 2002 he embarked upon an old-fashioned apprenticeship in journalism thanks to the editors of Metro Times. He has since won several writing awards and is now the paper’s longest-serving editorial employee. Jackman has no felony convictions
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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby Mulligan » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:15 pm

D-Day wrote:
D-Day wrote:
Shark wrote:
We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?


Says the guy who drove his shitty car into the flood waters last year and had to walk home through the stinky water.


OK....how did I miss the screed about hom driving through the flood? In any event, I just re-read it and fund his little gem

I drove my battered and rusty Volkswagen Golf around the lake that had formed in the middle of our Ferndale parking lot and tried heading down Drayton. Big mistake: The water was very high, and I was out of my league here. I simply have zero experience driving in high water in anything that isn’t a Humvee.


God, I hope he's just embellishing and isn't ex-military. No way could anyone come out that stupid


OK....thankfully, there's no mention of the military in his MT bio. But, there area ton of fun facts. Bon apetit!!!

Jagoff's Bio wrote:Born in 1969 at Mount Carmel hospital in Detroit, Jackman grew up just 100 yards from the Detroit city line in east Dearborn. Jackman has attended New York University, the School of Visual Arts, Northwestern University and Wayne State University, though he never got a degree. He has worked as a bar back, busboy, pool hall manager, foot messenger, truck driver, combustible electrician, perfume salesman, record store clerk, bouncer, bodyguard, landscaper, and sandwich artist. After being intensively involved with underground press culture in the 1990s, in 2002 he embarked upon an old-fashioned apprenticeship in journalism thanks to the editors of Metro Times. He has since won several writing awards and is now the paper’s longest-serving editorial employee. Jackman has no felony convictions


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Re: Detroitnerd--Weeping For The World's Wisdom

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:26 pm

D-Day wrote:
Shark wrote:
We're all supposed to freak the fuck out because it's going to snow enough to cover that garden gnome in the flower bed. On a Sunday.

Isn't it just a little bit . . . insulting?


Says the guy who drove his shitty car into the flood waters last year and had to walk home through the stinky water.


OK....how did I miss the screed about hom driving through the flood? In any event, I just re-read it and fund his little gem

I drove my battered and rusty Volkswagen Golf around the lake that had formed in the middle of our Ferndale parking lot and tried heading down Drayton. Big mistake: The water was very high, and I was out of my league here. I simply have zero experience driving in high water in anything that isn’t a Humvee.


God, I hope he's just embellishing and isn't ex-military. No way could anyone come out that stupid

My kid is a trained Humvee operator, and so I can assure you that dimmest of bulbs can, well, you get the idea...

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