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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby Random Douchebag » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:29 am

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:I'm thinking that 95%+ of people who take kids on air travel are assholes. Maybe it's a classist thing that's setting me off, but by far the majority of kids in the air have over-indulgent parents who have no qualms about inconveniencing everyone around, and sending fight attendants running for the umpteenth time to satisfy 11-year old Hannah's desire for ever more cruddy airline-brand biscotti. I see the problem as no one has ever told these kids "no" and so a new crop of assholes is in the making.


Sounds like someone was on a flight out of MCO. In that case, I'd agree with your 95% rule. However, in my experience, it's more 50/50. My nephews travel fine with my sister, but then I attribute it all to parenting, just like every other situation involving rug rats.
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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby Andy » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:56 am

I was going to put this in Car Talk but X=Asshole seems more appropriate.

Anyone who drives a Chrysler 200 with the Pentastar 3.6 V6 now has a meh car with way too much power for their own good.
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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby The Beav » Fri May 10, 2013 11:38 am

Saw one of these on a Land Rover driving stupidly, weaving in and out of traffic on Mack in the GP area two days ago.

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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby Roquefort Robert » Fri May 10, 2013 1:22 pm

The Beav wrote:Saw one of these on a Land Rover driving stupidly, weaving in and out of traffic on Mack in the GP area two days ago.

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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby Andy » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:55 am

Had to dust off my HFD button and look for this thread. I read this passage this morning and automatically thought: Asshole.

The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies," that he has a truck that can also go off-road if necessary, Hegbloom said.

The 2015 Laramie Limited is the second Ram 1500 model to feature a new interlocking grille that breaks from Ram's well-known crosshair grille.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/c ... /23278411/
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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby guest » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:30 am

sounds good but I'd rather have a Canyonero
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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:57 am

The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies,"


The ugly and unshakeable truth about the US auto market is that cars are not as lucrative as trucksm hence the need for the OEMs to play in the segment. One in seven vehicles sold in the US is a pickup, and because there is limited demand for high-profit "premium" and "luxury" product from Detroit the home team is foolish to not serve up vehicles like the Laramie line of Ram pickup.

Fixing the economics behind the traditionally piss-poor profit from cars has long been a rallying cry for reform-minded folk in town. Only about half of the new vehicle market's volume is in "trucks," which ranges from nameplates like Ram-Laramie to Ford's Edge, so it cannot be numbers alone that work against the profitability of cars. The problem with cars is that buyers who are willing to spend have migrated to trucks, leaving the less spend-minded concentrated on the car side of showrooms. Within recent memory Ford made noise about turning real profit from cars by upcontenting product like Focus with hot-shit nav and entertainment systems. You have to give them credit for trying, but the going upmarket in what is perceived to be an economy car is like putting a Cadillac dealership on Hamilton in Highland Park. Another way to make money on cars (especially the high-MPG lightweights favorerd by CAFE, Obama, hippies, and the cheap) is to off-shore production. This move makes sense when a little car brings only a grand or so in profit. And it's also why I've never been able to bring myself to believe that Orion Assembly (Sonic, Verano) and Michigan Assembly (Focus) will keep their present product or, worse case, have any product at all.

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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:59 am

guest wrote:sounds good but I'd rather have a Canyonero


Had to look that one up. How is it possible that the Simpson's are even still on the air?

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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby Roquefort Robert » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:38 pm

Andy wrote:Had to dust off my HFD button and look for this thread. I read this passage this morning and automatically thought: Asshole.

The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies," that he has a truck that can also go off-road if necessary, Hegbloom said.

The 2015 Laramie Limited is the second Ram 1500 model to feature a new interlocking grille that breaks from Ram's well-known crosshair grille.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/c ... /23278411/



Correction: The truck is for guys who want to act like they go off road. The same people that give Jeeps a bad name, the same people that make Guest hate Jeep drivers. They'll never take it off road but they want people to think that maybe they do.

BTW, I bought another Jeep.
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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby middle aged female » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:21 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:
Andy wrote:Had to dust off my HFD button and look for this thread. I read this passage this morning and automatically thought: Asshole.

The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies," that he has a truck that can also go off-road if necessary, Hegbloom said.

The 2015 Laramie Limited is the second Ram 1500 model to feature a new interlocking grille that breaks from Ram's well-known crosshair grille.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/c ... /23278411/



Correction: The truck is for guys who want to act like they go off road. The same people that give Jeeps a bad name, the same people that make Guest hate Jeep drivers. They'll never take it off road but they want people to think that maybe they do.

BTW, I bought another Jeep.

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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby thunderstruck » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:42 pm

frank - up in grand blanc wrote:
The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies,"


The ugly and unshakeable truth about the US auto market is that cars are not as lucrative as trucksm hence the need for the OEMs to play in the segment. One in seven vehicles sold in the US is a pickup, and because there is limited demand for high-profit "premium" and "luxury" product from Detroit the home team is foolish to not serve up vehicles like the Laramie line of Ram pickup.

Fixing the economics behind the traditionally piss-poor profit from cars has long been a rallying cry for reform-minded folk in town. Only about half of the new vehicle market's volume is in "trucks," which ranges from nameplates like Ram-Laramie to Ford's Edge, so it cannot be numbers alone that work against the profitability of cars. The problem with cars is that buyers who are willing to spend have migrated to trucks, leaving the less spend-minded concentrated on the car side of showrooms. Within recent memory Ford made noise about turning real profit from cars by upcontenting product like Focus with hot-shit nav and entertainment systems. You have to give them credit for trying, but the going upmarket in what is perceived to be an economy car is like putting a Cadillac dealership on Hamilton in Highland Park. Another way to make money on cars (especially the high-MPG lightweights favorerd by CAFE, Obama, hippies, and the cheap) is to off-shore production. This move makes sense when a little car brings only a grand or so in profit. And it's also why I've never been able to bring myself to believe that Orion Assembly (Sonic, Verano) and Michigan Assembly (Focus) will keep their present product or, worse case, have any product at all.

A Morgan Stanley analyst estimated that the F-150 and the SUVs based on that platform contribute fully 90% of Ford's global profits. The automakers used to be called health care insurance companies that happened to make vehicles, now it seems they're truck companies that happen to make cars. There's the whole CAFE averaging thing that makes making small cars necessary, but the car segment is just brutally competitive. When you look at profits as a percent of assets employed or of revenue, it's not a compelling business.

They're really fortunate that the Asians haven't been able to gain much share in the full-size truck segment where most of the profits are made for the former Big-3. All the competition in the car segment has driven profits down to where economists would predict there'd be companies leaving the industry to employ their capital elsewhere. But there's a desire in many countries to keep the car companies going, even with lower than desired profitability. It's part an ego thing, everyone wants to boast that they make cars (India, China, Malaysia...), part industrial policy, part political necessity.

If you are in the market for a mid-size car in the US, how many choices from how many different companies do you have? Dozens. If you're looking to buy a pickup or Suburban/Tahoe sized SUV, you have about three choices. A Suburban shouldn't really cost $75K when a Camaro can be had for under $30K. There's not that much additional high-cost content in the Suburban.

They're still milking the truck market to make their money, just like before the melt-down. They took a crap load of criticism for producing "gas-guzzling" SUVs and pickups but that's what made them enough profit to stay in business before, and it's doing the same for them now.
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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby frank - up in grand blanc » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:10 pm

rough numbers: 135 car nameplates accounting for 47% of the US new vehicle market, and 125 truck nameplates accounting for the other 53%. "Exotics" like Lotus and Tesla and Maybach are not included.

Speaking only of pickups, Toyota has 5% of the 'large" segment and Nissan is less than half of one percent. Not sure that Nissan Titan makes sense from the standpoint of production costs & profitability, but it probably lives in order to round out the Nissan portfolio.

Last year Detroit accounted for 1.955MM of the 2.086MM full-size pickups sold new last year. Those trucks are why there still is a Detroit and I & many others still have jobs. Throw in the additional 450K US-branded large SUVs and we get to celebrate Christmas and our kids' birthdays.

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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby RoryKasel » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:48 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:
Andy wrote:Had to dust off my HFD button and look for this thread. I read this passage this morning and automatically thought: Asshole.

The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies," that he has a truck that can also go off-road if necessary, Hegbloom said.

The 2015 Laramie Limited is the second Ram 1500 model to feature a new interlocking grille that breaks from Ram's well-known crosshair grille.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/c ... /23278411/



Correction: The truck is for guys who want to act like they go off road. The same people that give Jeeps a bad name, the same people that make Guest hate Jeep drivers. They'll never take it off road but they want people to think that maybe they do.

BTW, I bought another Jeep.


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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby D-Day » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:03 pm

RoryKasel wrote:
Roquefort Robert wrote:
Andy wrote:Had to dust off my HFD button and look for this thread. I read this passage this morning and automatically thought: Asshole.

The Laramie Limited is for truck owners who want to be able to take their wife out to dinner in a luxury vehicle at night but still have a truck that's tough, said Bob Hegbloom, president and CEO of the Ram brand for Fiat Chrysler Automobiles.

"These are the people who ... own the company, the guy who is in the boardroom all day but he wants to brag to his buddies," that he has a truck that can also go off-road if necessary, Hegbloom said.

The 2015 Laramie Limited is the second Ram 1500 model to feature a new interlocking grille that breaks from Ram's well-known crosshair grille.

http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/c ... /23278411/



Correction: The truck is for guys who want to act like they go off road. The same people that give Jeeps a bad name, the same people that make Guest hate Jeep drivers. They'll never take it off road but they want people to think that maybe they do.

BTW, I bought another Jeep.


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Re: X=Asshole redux

Postby guest » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:08 pm

Roquefort Robert wrote:
BTW, I bought another Jeep.


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