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Re: Onward Christian Soldiers!

Postby guest » Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:49 pm

re; bristol palin discusion on previous page -

middle aged female wrote:Girl would also be better off if her mother would quit running her mouth

still wondering what they were thinking when they picked her for the VP slot: prob'ly would'of lost anyway but i can't think a more kamikaze move
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Re: Onward Christian Soldiers!

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Re: Onward Christian Soldiers!

Postby Mad Max » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:57 pm

Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times

The Kentucky county clerk facing potentially stiff penalties for refusing to issue same-sex marriage licenses has been married four times, raising questions of hypocrisy and selective application of the Bible to her life.

The marriages are documented in court records obtained by U.S. News, which show that Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis divorced three times, first in 1994, then 2006 and again in 2008.

She gave birth to twins five months after divorcing her first husband. They were fathered by her third husband but adopted by her second. Davis worked at the clerk's office at the time of each divorce and has since remarried.

Davis has described her desire to strictly adhere to the Bible in stark terms and thus far has shown no sign of bending to court orders on same-sex marriage. She said Tuesday she fears going to hell for violating "a central teaching" of the Bible if she complies with the orders.

Davis' struggle to exempt herself from the Supreme Court's June decision legalizing same-sex marriage has excited some Christian conservatives but legally has proven futile: The Supreme Court refused her request Monday that the justices intervene, and a federal judge will decide Thursday whether to hold her in contempt.

Davis’ divorce records, in the meantime, are a “popular file” at the local courthouse, a woman who answered the phone tells U.S. News, as bloggers and social media users titter with accusations of hypocrisy.

The matter first attracted public attention in July, when WKYT-TV reporter Victor Puente made a passing on-air reference to the fact that Davis’ latest marriage certificate shows she was married four times. Davis’ office stores that document.

Davis did not respond to an emailed request for comment, and her office’s phone line was busy throughout the day Tuesday.

The leader of the organization providing her legal representation, Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel, says he’s not sure precisely how many husbands Davis has had, but that it's not relevant.

“I know she was married more than once – I’ve heard three [times],” he says. “It’s a matter of fact that she’s been married multiple times.”

Staver says “it’s not really relevant, it’s something that happened in her past” and that her conversion to Christianity about four years ago wiped her slate clean. “It’s something that’s not relevant to the issue at hand,” he says. “She was 180 degrees changed.”

In a Tuesday statement released by Liberty Counsel, Davis admitted she had lived an imperfect life, but insisted her current beliefs are sincere.

“It is not a light issue for me,” she said. “It is a heaven or hell decision.”

Three other Kentucky county clerks have expressed opposition to facilitating same-sex marriages, and one of them says Davis’ divorces in no way diminish her credibility.

Casey County Clerk Casey Davis, who is not related to Kim Davis, tells U.S. News he believes there’s a difference between getting a divorce and then repenting and living in a same-sex relationship.

“I don’t have any problem with that whatever, how she was before. If the Lord can forgive her, surely I can,” he says. “That’s something that’s forgivable just like any other sin, but if you continue in it and live in it, there’s a grave danger in that.”

Casey Davis says he wasn’t personally aware Kim Davis had been divorced and that he has no desire to speak with her about that. “You know this, people will say everything and all this stuff, they want to bring the worst out in the best of people. Obviously it’s human nature. I don’t like it and no one should,” he says.

The Casey County clerk currently is riding a bicycle across Kentucky to raise attention to the issue and wants Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear to call a special session of the state legislature to pass a law allowing local clerks to play no role officiating marriages and make their role mere record keeping.

Staver says other possible avenues include the state centralizing marriage issuance or allowing marriages to be performed without attaching the names of county clerks.

But there’s no sign that will happen, and Staver acknowledges it's impossible for clerks to hold out indefinitely against ruinous fines given for contempt.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which is advocating on behalf of a male same-sex couple repeatedly denied a marriage license by Kim Davis' office, is asking for fines significant enough to compel compliance.

Staver says supportive donors likely can extend Davis' resistance for at least some amount of time if fines are ordered Thursday.

Jail is also a possible tool to compel either her compliance or resignation.

“We are not asking that she go to jail, and nobody wants her to go to jail. We simply want her to do her job and follow the rule of law," says Heather Weaver, an ACLU attorney working on the case.

Weaver says she knows nothing about Davis' personal life.


Dan Savage sums it up best:

Kim Davis gave herself to Jesus and then Jesus sent Kim Davis a big bottle of magic Windex that allows Kim Davis to wipe her soul clean over and over again. Fornication, adultery, divorce, remarriage—all wiped clean away! And we shouldn't even be talking about Kim Davis's four marriages and three divorces because she has the magic Windex and that makes it all totally not relevant to the issue at hand—you know, those gay sinners over there.

Um, no. Sorry, Mat Staver, but Kim Davis made "biblical" and "sinful" relevant when she refused to do her job because her bible supposedly says this about same-sex couples and her bible says that about county clerks.

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Re: Onward Christian Soldiers!

Postby The Suburban Avenger » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:41 pm

I read the full post from Savage and he's right: She's going to be removed from office or resign and spend the rest of her professional life stumping for Christian groups who believe the gays or whatever is infringing on their right to hate whomever they happen to hate at this particular moment.

What's worse, to me, is I don't believe there is a way to effectively communicate to the Jesus crowd that we're a nation of laws.

And while we're at it, pickings must be awful slim in Kentucky if three different dudes (I understand marriages two and four are to the same guy) were willing to pour the pork into this woman.
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Re: Onward Christian Soldiers!

Postby Roquefort Robert » Thu Sep 03, 2015 2:01 pm

What a sunt. And now she's going to jail. If your biblical beliefs are so strong that you can't do paperwork, it seems to me that it would just be easier to quit that job and find one that won't make you go to hell. I guess her desire to hold on to $80k/year to rubber stamp paperwork is equally as strong as her belief that Jesus was against gay marriage.
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